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Erik

Give it a break, no one claims it's a BMW.

Katy's got one (one of the older models). It is what it is, it doesn't claim to be more. It's $20K basic transportation that gets 50 MPG. No it doesn't handle great, but it doesn't handle/ride much worse than any other tallish, 4 door, short wheelbase sedan. It handles/rides way better on the road than a Jeep Wrangler. The brakes are weird, but effective. You get used to them in a few days.

The only screen we ever have up is the consumption graph.

carpundit

I don't expect a BMW. I expect a car that doesn't feel like a tin can on wheels. Honda Civics don't feel like that. No, I've never driven the Civic hybrid, but I can't imagine it's as bad as the Prius. Toyota's got a Camry hybrid now, too. No way that's as bad as the Prius.

I suspect the Prius got its foothold when it was the early leader, the first usable hybrid car. People were willing to overlook its shortcomings. No reason why they should do that today.

Erik

Apples and oranges

Toyota Prius MSRP 21K

Accord Hybrid MSPR 32K

For 50% more money it damn well should feel like a more expensive car, it is a more expensive car.


I'm not sure what's up with the new Prius, but the controls on the old one were pretty standard (wipers, headlights and so on. There's not a start button, just a key). The old ones were not as "spaceship like" as the new ones.

carpundit

No new Prius sells for 21.

The cheapest I've seen a reliable source report getting one these days is about 26, with the average price about 28, and some folks paying 30.

Apples and apples.

Erik

It was a few years ago in California, but we bought Prius new for sticker price (which I believe was 19.8K at the time). We waited about 2 months for it (they said it would be 4 months).

Any idea about the availability of Accord Hybrids? Are they selling for over sticker price? Without that data any claim of apples and apples is somewhat specious.

Josh Wardell

The point still remains..the 20-25-30k you spend on a prius, that might save you $1k in gas a year (realistically, a third of that), is much worse a driver than a $15k mazda3 or ford focus or base civic, that gets almost as good milage, certainly saving you much more per year in car payments.

Erik

Car payments?

You should never buy a car you can't pay cash for. Nothing depreciates faster. From a financial standpoint, you're better off buying one of CP's beaters than ever taking a car loan.

Luke

I disagree, Erik, particularly when you can get the loan cheaply. I bought my car with a great rate on a five-year loan; I'm way ahead of where I would have been if I saved up and paid cash. Even more so if I were doing it again; keeping that $20-30k in the market makes me a lot more, with the same depreciated asset at the end.

ffxiv gil

You should never buy a car you can't pay cash for. Nothing depreciates faster. From a financial standpoint, you're better off buying one of CP's beaters than ever taking a car loan.

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Great shots of the dashboard. One aspect that stands out about the Toyota Prius dashboard is how much information it offers. Very handy if you like to track your gas mileage.

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